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Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 2:57 PM
Posted by: Wheelin Rev Posts: 837
Lieslmcq: I'm a big fan of the ignore feature. The problem I have with heavy moderation is that one person's idea of abuse is another person's idea of a strong opinion. I don't agree in any way with the statements made about homosexuality or members of disaboom who are gay, but I have a hard time condoning the moderation of it. Just my opinion.
I'm a big fan of the ignore feature. The problem I have with heavy moderation is that one person's idea of abuse is another person's idea of a strong opinion. I don't agree in any way with the statements made about homosexuality or members of disaboom who are gay, but I have a hard time condoning the moderation of it. Just my opinion.
Moderation becomes necessary when the Terms of Use (ToU) are violated; particularly these items (excerpted from the ToU):
Those items, which is only a partial listing, are meant to keep Disaboom a "civilized" community that most folks would readily want to be a part of. To allow any of the above would be to allow one or more members to cause disruption, devisiveness, etc. amongst an otherwise well organized community for the benefit of its members.
Dave
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 3:05 PM
Posted by: Lieslmcq Posts: 2,303
Dave,
It's a fine line, isn't it? I had someone report me for trying to be helpful. I know nothing came of it, but it's an indication of how much y'all are going to have to wade through to get too the legitimate complaints. I guess I'm just scared that heavy moderation will lead people to think they can't express their opinions in an open manner. I'm also a big fan of dealing with people directly who make these hateful comments so that others see that there is a counter argument and are able to choose a more reasonable path.
On the other hand, I haven't seen any heavy handed moderation at all. I think y'all are doing a really good job in your moderating duties. It's all subjective and that's a hard road to travel. Good luck!
Liesl
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 4:39 PM
Posted by: Nightengale Posts: 672
Couple of opinions.
I am not overall a fan of the Ban buttong. I am overall a fan of mods stating, both to people who use langauge that is overtly sexist, racist, homophobic etc, and to those who are the recpients of it that this language is Not Acceptable. Hearing an offical statement like that can be very comforting making people feel welcome here. When no public statement is made, it can seem like silent acceptance.
There can indeed be a fine line. I was in the chat room when AIDS in the gay community was being discussed. In fact I was part of that discussion. I remember replying that that currently the fastest growing group of HIV positive people were not gay. Was this an offensive statement? I would hate for conversations ABOUT race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc which are respectful and being enjoyed by those involved to be shut down completely.
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 4:43 PM
Nightengale: There can indeed be a fine line. I was in the chat room when AIDS in the gay community was being discussed. In fact I was part of that discussion. I remember replying that that currently the fastest growing group of HIV positive people were not gay. Was this an offensive statement? I would hate for conversations ABOUT race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc which are respectful and being enjoyed by those involved to be shut down completely.
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 6:37 PM
Nightengale:I am not overall a fan of the Ban buttong. I am overall a fan of mods stating, both to people who use langauge that is overtly sexist, racist, homophobic etc, and to those who are the recpients of it that this language is Not Acceptable. Hearing an offical statement like that can be very comforting making people feel welcome here. When no public statement is made, it can seem like silent acceptance.
You and Liesl are saying what I think the moderators want to do. I can tell you that there will be some changes in the moderation area that you will see over the next 4 to 6 weeks. One of the more visible changes will be exactly what you are looking for; public statements from the moderators. In the past at another site, I have always "worked" publicly and privately with offenders of the ToU in an attempt to not ban them.
Some people, I believe, like to see just how far they can go before being banned. It seems to be a game they play with moderators. Of course, these folks typically do not have any real interest in the community other than to be disruptive. They deserve to be banned.
Other people are just very strongly opinionated. Sometimes, they might actually be right and willing to die for their viewpoint. I find that these folks are willing to work with the moderators to stay within the community's tolerance level of the statements made. They actually benefit from the community, they know it and therefore can "tone it down" a notch. Over time, they might cross the line again but are generally apologetic and step back down a rung and remain a part of the community. We benefit from them and they benefit from us. It's a win-win situation.
I think you all will approve of the moderators and the way they moderate. Right now, us "mods" are just getting to know each other and are looking for common verbiage guidelines to be used in public and private warnings. We are currently "laid back" a little as we too, test the waters. I don't think any mod wants to be a dictator and we are all just like everybody else here. We had a reason to become part of the Disaboom community. I think we want to see exactly what you all want to see in a community such as this.
Feel free to speak up anytime. We are with you all and appreciate the feedback.
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 7:30 PM
I have to tell you, I think y'all are doing a great job.
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 8:06 PM
Posted by: Kara Posts: 2,287
I definitely try to make an attempt at a public statement when I can see that tensions are rising--I do like to take a little bit (usually at most a few hours) to think about it and really evaluate where I stand (or in this case sit). If I can tell people are pretty upset about an issue, it's nice to contact people via private message and I hope that everyone knows they are welcome to send mail my way too is something is bothering them---This would be especially important if it's something that went on in chat because I'm not likely to see it like I do in the forums.
Posted on: Wed, Feb 6 2008 9:00 PM
Lieslmcq: Dave, I have to tell you, I think y'all are doing a great job. Liesl
Thank you. I wish more people would feel free to speak openly. The mods have a tough job and as the site grows, it ain't gonna get any easier. Been there, done that.
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